Dear Moonbats
May 29, 2007
By a NC Eagle
May 26, 2007
Dear Moonbats,
After driving for 11 hours to get from rural Johnston county North Carolina to Highland Falls New York, I find myself standing on a sidewalk in near 90 degree sun with sweat running down the insides of my sunglasses. I’ve had nothing to eat for 17 hours, and only 2 cups of sorry gas station coffee. I’m thinking that if there were no moonbats, I’d be at home right now - grilling steaks.
I’m also thinking, didn’t you people promise to move to Canada after the 2000 and 2004 elections? Yes, you did. And yet, here you are at the gates of West Point Military Academy. On Memorial Day weekend. Behaving badly.
And that’s why I am here also, along with my brother and sister Eagles, because you are incapable of learning from foul mistakes. I have learned much from mistakes, both yours and mine. I–no, we– are here to stand against you.
I was 12 years old in 1968. I watched you behave badly then. I watched you protest war without any regard for the cause, purpose or necessity of the war. I heard your demands for the end of the war without any regard for the consequences of abandoning allies and leaving them to die. I witnessed the treatment of our soldiers when they returned home from battlefields. I saw men that had fought in the name of their country, wounded and maimed for the sake of their countrymen, come home to be greeted by screeching hordes of you ‘peace’ makers who called them baby killers and spat on them - and worse.Later, I witnessed the fall of governments and nations that had been our allies. You and I both saw the slaughter of millions of people over there. Untold millions of Asian people died because of you and your loathing of your country. Thousands of great American veterans suffered through decades of shame and despair because of you and your sanctimonious demands for faux peace.Yet, I blame myself equally. After all, what did I do then to counter your ignorance? Did I offer argument to your insane rantings? Did I barrage politicians with my objections when they began to follow your lead and first started talking of defunding and withdrawal? Did I complain to the media networks when they offered daily biased reporting on a ‘failed’ war effort? Did I refuse to patronize the entertainment industry when so many of them left their souls behind to join in on the hating of America and everything American?
No. Just like the rest of the silent majority, I waited for the fad to end. Waited for all you leftists to come to your senses. Waited for you to finish abusing your “free speech and right to assemble.” Waited.
I waited right up until you started all over again with a new war to lose, a new set of young soldiers to spit at, new allies to betray and a new enemy to befriend.
So here we are at West Point. You are acting the same as you did then, repeating the same stupid slogans. You even seem to be wearing the same ugly clothing.
However, I am different than I was then. This time I’m not going to hesitate to use my freedom of speech and right to assemble. This time I’m going to be in opposition every time you choose to disrespect West Point Academy, recruiter’s offices, memorials, veterans or wounded soldiers.
You are the moonbat, I am the Eagle. I am and will be in your face.
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370 Responses to “Dear Moonbats”
Ok…where do I find these photos? these ought to be good!! These I really want to see.
Dear NC Eagle,
You and other Eagles certainly have every right to use your freedom of speech and right to assemble. However, I saw no disrespect of the West Point Military Academy occur at this demonstration. I saw no disrespect of wounded soldiers nor of veterans. Indeed, one of the Eagles sold poppies to the anti-war demonstrators in support of disabled veterans and was quoted on these pages as being surprised by the number of demonstrators who made donations for the disabled vets. And I did not see any disrespect of memorials.
What I did witness, however, was abusive, verbal behavior committed against the anti-war demonstrators. I heard derogatory name calling directed at those who were demonstrated against the Iraq war and/or urging the impeachment of Bush and Cheney. I heard attempts to drown out speakers at the anti-war rally, including the parents of a soldier who was killed in Iraq. That to me showed the utmost disrespect and contempt for this family whose son had given his all.
That type of behavior does not speak well for the members of your organization, and I would hope it will cease.
Hey little jimmy,
Have you ever been in the military? Sounds like you’re trying to deny REAL AMERICANS the right to exercise their FREE SPEECH; ARE YOU?????????
jimmy, if I were you, I wouldn’t mess with the Eagles. Do you know what Eagles do to rats??????
Look it up!
NC EAGLE: SURE DIDN’T TAKE LONG FOR A MOONBAT TO POP HIS HEAD UP, DID IT.
JIM, YOU SHOW DISRESPECT JUST BY SHOWING UP, BUDDY.
THAT’S WHY EAGLES SOMETIMES GET A LITTLE VERBAL, BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE ARE SO RIDICULOUS.
AS FOR THE LADY WHOSE SON WAS KILLED, MY HEART GOES OUT TO HER, BUT IS THIS REALLY WHAT HER SON WANTED HER TO DO IN HIS MEMORY?
IF YOU PEOPLE WANT TO DEMONSTRATE, WHY DON’T YOU DO IT AT THE CAPITOL OR DEM. & REP. HDQTRS. SHOW A LITTLE CLASS AND RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE PROUD TO SEE A MEMBER OF THEIR FAMILY ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING AND SERVE THEIR COUNTRY EVEN IF YOU DON’T AGREE. YOU DON’T NEED TO SHOW UP AT EVERY VENUE MAKING FOOLS OUT OF YOURSELVES FOR A CAUSE THAT IS NOT ONLY BASELESS BUT IS A WASTE OF TIME BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET YOUR WAY.
EAGLES UUUP!!!
jimmy don’t try to pull your sanctimonious bs - you and your ilk were disgusting at west point. please look at the pics and you will see that you lined your flag draped coffins along the curb right in the road where the cadets families drove into west point. so, here are these parents on the proudest day of their lives, coming to see their children graduate from one of the mosrt prestigious institutions in our country and what do they see? your row of flag draped coffins - you who most probably could not hold a candle to their child, both in terms of intelligence and bravery.
YOU have the nerve to talk about respect?? you are foul and despicable
Jimmy…Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy, I’m shaking my head here. Moral relativity does not apply in this case. Methinks that you all were just a bit peeved that you were denied a permit to go inside the gates so that your group could be even MORE disrespectful.
And yes I was there, so I saw the majority of the behavior first hand. Because there are those of us who are no longer 12 years old and are now armed with facts to shred your warped truths does indeed bode well for the Eagles. Lies are no longer tolerated when there is an Eagle in proximity. We countered each and every lie with facts and THAT is what you don’t like.
Well, the responses I have received are hate filled. That is the same type of hostile attitude that was conveyed to the demonstrators at West Point. I guess you cannot stand it when someone verbally reflects what has transpired. Such saddens me.
Am I trying to stop your free speech? Not at all. You can vent as much as you want. But I do think it would help your cause to be aware of how you come across.
I believe the coffins which so upset you were an attempt to make vividly real the dangers that President Bush and VP Cheney are putting American soldiers under. I note that the actual flag draped coffins have been hidden from American press and photographers as they come back from the Middle East. That is a calculated attempt to limit awareness of the emotional costs of this war, at least on a national level. I have attended two military funerals locally of soldiers that I knew, and I continue to grieve for their families. There are more than 3400 young men who have not come back, men cut down in the prime of the life. We do not need any more for a senseless, purposeless war started by Bush and Cheney.
Kit, you mentioned an exam. What are you studying?
JIMMIE YOU ARE SOO CUTE,..DID YOU EVER MAKE FOUR SEPERATE TRIPS DOWN THE LINES OF ANTI-DRAFT MOONBATS ON YOUR WAY TO AND FROM A WAR?
YOU MUST BE NEW TO THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT. I HAVE SEEN DOG TREATED BETTER THEN YOUR PEOPLE TREATED US.
MY MEMORY IS VERY LONG, YOU CRY LIKE A BABY WHEN ALL WE DID IS TO REPAY YOU THE FAVOR,…SUCK IT UP.
YOU MAKE NOT LIKE THE TONE, WORDS OR STYLE, BUT BUDDY BOY I HAVE 40 YEARS OF WORDS STORED UP,. LAYED ON ME BY THE SAME OLD MOONBATS I FACE NOW.
IN YOU FACE PAL,..SEE YOU ON THE FREEDOM OF SPEACH COUNTER TO YOUR LITTLE DOG & PONY SHOW.
PS I WAS VERY NICE TO A OLDER LADY WHO PASSED BY, YOU LEFT HER BEHIND AS YOU RACED UP THE HILL.
I ALSO PRAYED WITH A IRAQ VET FROM YOUR RANKS WHO COME UP TO SHAKE MY HAND. THIS MAN I RESPECTED THAT DAY. HE IS NOW & WILL ALWAYS BE MY BROTHER, REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIDE HE IS STANDING.
HE, I ACCEPT HIM AS ONE SIMPLE SOLDIER TO ANOTHER.
IN PEACE SONS BURY THEIR FATHERS, IN WAR FATHERS BURY THEIR SON
HERODOTUS
ANYONE WHO ASK MY MILITARY TO SURRENDER IN A PC STYLE THAT WILL SPARE THEM THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR SELLING OFF MY FREEDOM MAY STAND IN LINE AND WAIT
IF YOU HAD ANY PROBLEMS THIS YEAR I WILL HOPE WE CAN MAKE YOUR DAY NEXT YEAR,..LESS BULL HORNS..MORE CAM CORDERS & PHOTOS & MIKES TO RECORD ANYONE WHO DARES LAY A HAND ON A LADY EAGLE AGAIN,..THEY WILL BE ARRESTED ON THE SPOT,..THERE WILL BE A VISUAL RECORD NEXT YEAR
CURB YOUR PEOPLE, WE WILL TRY TO RESTRAIN OURS
Jimmy, do you forget that most of the Eagles ARE former soldiers? Convenient lapse of memory ???
And this war, it was started DECADES ago by the ENEMY. Put the blame where it belongs, we’ve been under attack for quite some time now.
I’m not taken in by the “saddens me” stuff, so save it for the media. Nothing was said here that is hateful, it was blunt and honest. Learn the difference.
Jim - you are attempting to obscure the issue by throwing up your tzlking point smoke-screen.
the issue is that you displayed flag draped coffins to PARENTS who were coming to see their CHILDREN graduate,
jim, think about that for a minute before you continue to read.
you attempted to cover up this inhumane act of yours, by throwing up a smoke screen of a bleeding heart emtional diatribe. 1) you are entitled to your views, but this occasion was neither the appropriate place or audience for an airing of your grievances, and 2) you contradict yourself when you say that you are concerned about the “emotional costs of this war”, and then you inflict emotional suffering on a group of parents.
jim- your real intent was to inflict emotional distress on both the parents and their graduates. your real intent is to try to undermine our military in any way that you can.
you are very easy to see through
REQUEST FOR A.N.S.W.E.R., CODE PING,.RAGING GRAND MOMS,..AND ALL OTHERS WHO USED CINDY SHEEHAN & HER BRAVE USMC WAR HERO AS A PAWN TO SHILL IN THE SAME PUBLIC DISPLAY OF DISRESPECT AS YOU DID WITH THE COFFINS AT WEST POINT.
BOW YOUR HEADS,.REMAIN SILENT,..STAND UP STRIGHT LIKE YOU HAVE A SPINE..TRY TO FOCUS FOR ONE SECOND ON A MOTHERS GRIEF FOR HER SON’
LORD WATCH OVER THIS MOTHER OF A BRAVE AMERICAN MARINE,
COMFORT HER & HEAL HER HEART
ALLOW HER BRAVE MARINE TO SIT WITH YOU INTILL THEY WILL ONCE AGAIN BE TOGETHER.
AMEN
YOU MOONBATS ARE ALL DISMISSED.
SEE YOU ON THE PROTEST LINES.
I was 14 in the fall of 1968. Guess what was waiting for me. Can you say DRAFT? I had a very high lottery number in the last draft. This was the Class of 1972. We were picked in 1973. I still went into the Navy. I was 19 and sorta stupid. But after 20 years, I grew to understand one thing. Many of my own countrymen could not stand me. I volunteered during Vietnam and that made me an evil person. Some of my own classmates refuse to speak with me. Tango-Sierra. I showed up every day for 20 years. To the left-tards: KMBA: Kilo-Mike-Bravo-Alpha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
George, as of today Cindy Sheehan is no More, she qave up. She would have made a bad Marine. But then she never had the title of a USMC. She and Jane Fonda will go down in our history as the people that made us Vets stronger. Thanks to unamerican Idiots.
Jim writes, “I believe the coffins which so upset you were an attempt to make vividly real the dangers that President Bush and VP Cheney are putting American soldiers under. I note that the actual flag draped coffins have been hidden from American press and photographers as they come back from the Middle East.”
I’m done mincing words with you people. Jim, you sanctimonious asshole, WE are fully aware of the cost of war. WE have seen our buddies die in our arms, held them as they breathed their last breath, watched them disappear in the burst of artillery. WE know damn well what the cost of war is, and we don’t need assholes like you “reminding” us or pointing out the cost to us.
It’s time you idiots got a clue. If you want to make someone aware of the cost of war, go to your local shopping mall and display your stupid coffins. Take your anti-war brochures to the local theatre, where many blissfully unaware Americans hang out. Educate THEM.
The purpose of your coffins at West Point was to embarrass the parents of the graduates, nothing more. It is a despicable display of poor taste and inconsiderate behavior, something your ilk is quite familiar with. You make Fred Phelps proud, boy.
WE don’t take instructions from you. WE are men, forged in the fires of battle and the privations of service to our country. WE don’t need anything from you, certainly not your preaching. Go play with the childish minds and immature morality of your fellow travelers and don’t soil our forum with your excrement.
Jimmy me boy! Would ye kindly do yerself a favor and pull your head out of the sand, lad. Jaysus and begorrah, you’re come’n across as be’n about as sharp as a beach ball. And for the love of Colcannon, would you quit yer whine’n in front of all these nice patriotic lads and lasses.
Do ye need any remind’n of how ye own cornerboys be act’n? How they be take’n a doomp on the American flag? How they been throw’n piss bottles at brave soldiers and tell’n them to shoot their officers? Do ye need remind’n of the signs ye be carrying that say the only good soldier is a dead soldier? Are ye forget’n about this, lad?
Are ye efin blind as well as dumb? Go play your flute somewhere else, lad and stop foostering people’s time here, or sooner than later someone is going to give you a sound kick in the steever.
Time for you to hit the bleed’n road and be off with you now.
Jim,
All those 3400 who nobly gave their tomorrows so that you could enjoy yours went voluntarily. Greater Love Hath No Man Than He Lay Down His Life For A Friend! You should remember who enables you to protest the way you do.
The behavior of your people was revolting. Several of the folks on our side were assaulted. Several folks from your side walked over in an attempt to provoke an incident. We have the pictures to prove it. I also was a witness to it!
What is there to say to people like you who disrespect our fallen Heroes? In Rockland I have heard your people call a Jewish War Vet a nazi and tell a Korean War Vet he was a baby killer.
You can always tell a leopard by its spots. You people talk peace but you sure push for conflict as demonstrated by your behavior at West Point.
Just remember, as you bad mouth your country and provide aid and comfort to the enemy, to thank the American Military for your freedom!
What is there to talk about? You folks just don’t get it!
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Media Lies - - absolutely one of my favorites
Semper Fi
Jim Bridges,
Since you addressed your original comment to NC Eagle, which is me, I’ll answer your statements: Bite Me. You aint seen nothing yet.
To the Eagles, I dont know what happened to the photos. They musta got lost in the shuffle. Sorry. The whole AAR is on my website, if you care to see it.
http://www.whatbubbaknows.com/dearmoonbats01.html
Bubba
Ross McDowell
To all Eagles, “Mission Acomplished” and a Fine Job it was…….”EAGLES UP”
Jim Bridges,
What do you have to say about one of your organizers who openly hit me in the face with his anti-war sign at West Point? Of course you didn’t hear about it from your group. What was he going to do? Run around the ANSWER camp bragging how he just hit a woman in the face and then lied to the State Troopers about it? Not much to be proud of, is there? Ironically, he became violent when I calmly told him he had a right to protest and so did we and I had a right to take pictures. To which he responded with an expletive and smashed me in the face with the stick of his ‘peace sign’. So much for peaceful protest and tolerance.
Jim,
You are in the wrong place here. They want to be flattered and you are offering valid criticisms. We do have to remember that when we criticize, that neither group has a monopoly on virtue or vice. And they have to remember that we had our share of veterans at the demonstration. We also have our share of active service people who support our cause.
Perhaps the next time we offer some feedback, we should give them flowers first.
I don’t know what to say. It seems my fellow Eagles have just about said it all. So I’ll just ramble. In the last 18 days I traveled from my home in Belize to Atlanta to North & South Carolina to Connecticut to D.C… In my travels I have shaken hands, hug and talked with over 1000 active duty troops, 500 families, and 2000 Veterans. All true Patriots. All support the Mission of Gathering Of Eagles. As well as the over 500,000 in D.C. on the 26th & 27th. I was at the USCGA and I can’t understand why the moonbats would protest the people who lay there lives on the line everyday going out in weather in helicopters and boats no one else would consider to rescue jimmy’s sorry ass when his boat founders. Or rescues him and his family when he should have e-vac-ed in hurricanes and floods. And West Point the people who lay there lives on the line to protect his Freedoms that he thinks he earned…jimmy your association with the piss movement means you support the likes of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, and Jihads. And we can all see what Chavez is doing in Venezuela. So jimmy boy coming to this site with your dribble is meaningless. Starting on 17th March, we got into cindy shithead’s face everywhere she went AND SHE QUIT THE PISS MOVEMENT. EAGLES we played a big part of that decision. And jimmy we will be in your FACE EVERYWHERE YOU GO. Until every last moonbat crawls back under there slimey rock……”EAGLES UP”
Folks, while we enjoy it, I suggest stop feeding the trolls.
They, like Jim and his other sanctimonious buddy here, are trying to sound rational and polite to attempt to brush their entire movement with their strokes.
We have tried being polite, we have tried playing by the same rules that put some congressmen in the doghouse while others hide money in freezers and march for ages under a white sheet without consequence.
They have laid out the rules to this particular chess match decades ago and we are just late to the game in playing it their way. Sorry if that upsets them….wait, no I am not. Actually I am thrilled.
When we were at GOE I, my children were called such a variety of blue streak names it bordered on child abuse for me to have brought them….but they have been with moonbats before and we had a long talk about strength of arguement and how to treat people. They have been tutored well at the moonba’s knees that civil dialague is a trick they use when the cameras are on or in chat rooms to appear to be fine rational folk….
And they have seen what these people are capable of when the glare is off and they are letting it all hang out…they are profane, hateful and ugly.
I don’t regret the times I have exposed my kids to this because it is a more valuable lesson in person than I can teach them from a book….and it has stuck with them….
We have so much to do, so many things to plan, so many bullhorns to buy and events to attend….let’s let them tuck their panties back in without an audience and do the work we should have been doing for the last 40 years.
Mr. Day,
Just because you can offer a few token veterans as “proof” that your cause is just means nothing. You call us brownshirts, Nazis, and worse. Your cause, YOUR people, set the rules of this game many years ago with their hateful commentary, demeaning speech, and anarchy-loving actions. The fact that we had a bullhorn only annoys y’all because we were louder.
It’s all right. I know you guys aren’t used to being countered, or shouted down, or even confronted with anything less than quiet shame from those of us who actually get it.
Let me ask you this. How is it “free speech” when someone defecates on the flag in front of a crowd, but it’s somehow a horrific thing when we speak our minds about your actions? Since when are antiwar protestors the only people allowed to exercise free speech? If y’all support the troops so much, don’t you think they should get a chance to speak too? Most Eagles are veterans. Do they not have the right to free speech?
We’re completely cognizant of your right to protest. We’re also cognizant of our right to stand there every single time you do it.
You’ve been exercising your rights for a long time. It’s now our turn.
By the way…I’m not expecting an answer to my questions. I realize you guys aren’t capable of coming up with an answer.
What a wonderful day it is! Cindy has decided it’s time to go home seems she must have outlived her usefulness & therefore someone has shut down the money train. Students are rioting in the streets of Venezuela over the socialist actions of their “duly elected” president. How ironic is that? Just saw a student on the streets in Caracas stating that this was only the beginning of their movement and they would push forward for liberty throughout South & Central America. The French voters have rejected socialism, and Germany has elected a pro American leader! Is it just me or are our local socialist, marxist and communist wannabes seeing their idea of utopia collapse before their eyes. Hillary, Edwards et al may want to rethink their positions, again !!!!!!!!!! Yes, it is a wonderful day indeed!!!!
Steppin’ down, for now
Soapbox
IF NOT US, WHO? IF NOT NOW, WHEN?
PS
Jim Diehl, Will email you, as requested, this afternoon after I get to the store.
Kate & Kit
Yet again you make us proud. Their arguments can not do not and will not stand in the light of day.
Kate, looked for that consevative mom tattoo on saturday but alas it was not to be ………..
lol…I have been promised that someone did take a picture of it and that it will be available (not counting the 15 RT guys who kept politely asking)
Good thing my hubby has a sense of humor….and is 6′4
Jim Bridges,
You are totally out of your league here. I had the great pleasure of meeting both carolyn and USMCdaughter1 on Sunday at the Lincoln Memorial.
This war is being extended by your hateful words about our fine soldiers, only encourage those who hate America. You are causing this war in Iraq to drag on and on by your enemy encouraging words. — AND the thing that really ticks me off big time is —
— YOU ARE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOUR ACTIONS AND WORDS ARE SUPPORTING THOSE WHO KILL OUR TROOPS… THE COFFINS YOU DISPLAYED ARE IN EFFECT TROPHIES OF YOUR ACTIONS AND WORDS — LIKE A DEER FROM A HUNT. — DISGUSTING —
Take a clue from your leaders Cindy Sheehan, and Ward Churchill — Now would be a excellent time to stand down and retreat, follow your leaders.
Moonbats have had their say, and hurt our country too much, drug this war out too long already, your time is over.
Eagles who support our troops, our mission, our nation and Freedom have taken over.
Hey it’s on the FLickr site!!! I put it up.
http://flickr.com/photos/euphoriadev/518108451/
Kate
Please, no offense intended. I assumed your husband had a great sense of humor. After all raising 3 great kids is the job of a family not a village!
And yes we are a polite group are we not?
To everyone else, I almost forgot, guess the sun baked my brain on the ride home. Rosie is gone and Ward Churchill is about to be stepped on. Perhaps that is a flicker of light at the end of the tunnel. But be aware Eagles, there is much left to be done!!!!
FYI friend…we have 7 kids…we only brought 3!!
And Kit…lol…thanks…that will get me lots of grief but lots of laughs
Kit
Thanx for the picture & you are right that is a great bit of ink work. And Kate, 7 kids, if the other 4 are as you discribed the first 3, you have just run away with the mom of the year award. The tattoo pushed you to victory. HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!!
well sb, my four step-daughters are in the care 50% of the time with a card carrying man hating Hilary loving femi-nazi so I have my work cut out for me.
They are smart, beautiful wonderful girls so I have hope for them. All I can do as the step-monster is expose them to both sides, have lively dinner table debate, and know that the more exposure they have to the moonbats, the easier my job will be.
I hope that at the next GOE RT memorial day event, all 9 of us will be there.
As a side note, one of the highlights of this trip for my kids was to meet a WWII soldier who was at Normandy. They still do not quite get the impact of what that means (time to rent saving private ryan) but they knew enough to ask for this fine man’s autograph
I think I undersdtand why the peace movement and the liberal left are so mad.Since the early 60’s they have whined,cried,pissed and moaned about everything and the mainstream media along with them and the likes of Hanoi Jane and Cindy Shithead,Harry Reid,Nancy Pelosi,John Murtha pretty much most of the democratic party.These groups have giotten their way for over 40 years thier voices heard over true patriots and people that love this great country,now the times are changing and they are mad because GOE has made a difference they are being heard, vets are being heard and patriots from all over the country are now being heard.They are all mad because they aren’t in the limelight now to me they are just a bunch of attention whores and they are sniveling because no one is paying them much attention now.We have them on the ropes don’t let up,Cindy shithead quit who is next Jane Fonda?? Harry Reid? we can only be hopeful that they both quit.I think it is despicable for them to show up with coffins and it is repulsive and disgusting,as for the caskets of our dead soldiers not being shown that is done out of respect for the soldiers,sailors,airmen and marines that made the ultimate sacrifice for this country.It is funny that people that have never served 1 minute in uniform know everything there is to know about the military and what it takes to serve in it, they also like to play armchair quarterback and they have the answer to everything.Just like John Kerry saying he would apologize to these muslim terrorists we are fighting,that is what they want it is a sign of weakness to them, we can’t do it and I am thankful that our Commander in Chief won’t apologize to them.Please Eagles don’t stop what you are doing your actions and your voices are heard here overseas it means lot to us that are serving overseas in the war on terror.
I think I’am going to change my first name…..”EAGLES UP”
Kit,
If you read my article carefully, you would realize that I said calling you Brownshirts was ethically and factually wrong–2nd or 3rd paragraph
What I did say was that there are disturbing similarities, in particular was the hostility and attempt to silence other views. We could add to that the prevalent attitude here is that yous guys view yourselves as superior to us “moonbats”, “racists”, “girly-men”, or whatever else you would call us at the protest. In addition, you attempted to interfere with our march and with our right to hear our speakers.
What I did say was that if you took your own hate-speech about us more seriously than you already do, this would lead to violence–which has already occurred in a mild form in D.C.–against us.
Finally, what allows you to have this hate-speech against us is that the behavior of extremists in the anti-war group seems to be generalized as if all antiwar protesters participated in or approved of the actions of a few. I certainly didn’t do that in my article about GOE. I specifically distinguished between those GOE members who provided a hostile environment and those who did not whom it was a pleasure to meet. I also said that neither group has a monopoly on vice or virtue.
BTW, we have more than just a few veterans in the antiwar movement. We have many whose rank is from lowest to one of the highest. In fact, one of our featured speakers was a retired colonel from the Army.
Jim Bridges,
Got stick those coffins where the sun doesn’t shine.
That is gross disrespect to those who have taken up the dangerous task of defending your rights by mocking them with coffins.
Let me make this very clear Jim, you are a grave robbing bastard. You understand that the public is grateful to our military members. That’s why you claim you support the troops too. You also understand that there is tremendous goodwill, sorrow and sympathey for the wounded and fallen. Those coffins are intended to steal that goodwill, sorrow and sympathy from the fallen and use it for your goals.
Did I mention you’re a grave robbing bastard?
Jim Bridges,
I forgot to mention something. Something that’s been seen time and time again by us when you fakers use flag draped coffins.
Afterwards, you just threw around the flags, or flipped the flag draped coffins upside down. When you carried them, you were so reverential, so stone faced, so quiet. And that was all an act.
When that was over, you treated those flag draped coiffins as if they were the box your bottled water came in.
And that torture BS, what a crock. Just remember, when we put people in Orange Jumpsuits, they get panties on their head and led around on a dog leash. Nothing that Juim Bridges hasn’t paid good money for in some Upper East Side Manhattan S&M dungeon. Now of course, our soldiers won’t tell people, “You’ve been a bad boy” like Bridges’ dominatrix does. But they don’t charge 4250 an hour either.
Now the other side won’t put panties on your head. Why, because there’s no head to put panties on. Google “Nick Berg” if you need a clue Jim.
CD,,,I know for a fact that a good % of who you think are Veterans in your movement are not. They just shop at surplus stores. Like the one I photographed at the USCGA. He was to young to have the 5 rows of medals he wore. Check there DD 214. And verify with the Record Center in ST Louis. Another group of so called vets in your movement were the non-hackers who never left the States, had bad discharges or were sent back because they were a danger to others. If you are going to present them as combat Veterans you better check them out, or it’s just another LIE from your side of the streets……..,.,………. “EAGLES UP”
Let’s see if Jimbo will take our calls….
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From the WINS 1010 website about Wednesday at USCG Academy:
“Hey, this is not our war,” said the Rev. Jim Bridges, a Unitarian Universalist minister from Washingtonville. “Although Saddam was not a great leader in any way, shape or form, I think the country is a lot worse off.”
NC Eagle,
Next time, email me at raouldeming@hotmail.com and we can carpool at least as far from Philly to wherever the next GOE event takes place.
A reverend, huh? I imagine Jesus would have a few words for our pontificating, pretender, pacifist pal.
John 8:7
Nice work, Raoul.
Radio for Spiritually Inclined Liberals
Physician (or should I say “Reverend”?), heal thyself!
You’re a disgrace to the cloth, JB (and that’s presuming your “church” really is a church).
Source citation for first two paras above:
http://www.chronogram.com/issue/2007/1/Whole+Living/Inner-Vision-Spiritually-Speaking
Hey Curt,
If you would like video of the anti-war folks spitting on one of our GOE members in March let me know and I will forward it along.
Also, let me know if you would like a child’s eye view of the experience….my kids were called future gestapo, nazis in training, and one answer guy charged across the street menacingly while grabbing his crotch screaming the aforementioned nicities…to little kids…
Now I could be wrong, he might have not been grabbing so much as searching for his tiny manparts, but we’ll never know.
As for looking up those who are not military, perhaps John Kerry and the Winter Soldiers can give us some advice on how they outed their imposters and publically humilated them…that happened, right?
The anti-war crowd set the rules and decorum of rallies….it is tragically amusing to see them so perturbed when they don’t get civil debate and gentle burping…
Ah well, such is life in the big city….
Thanks COOP……
COOP,,Contact Capt. Bailey, he has something I brought up for you…..JD
You’re welcome, Jim. Sorry I didn’t get a chance to shake your hand last Saturday. Thanks for making the long journey.
I find it very interesting that our part-time pacifist pastor’s church (one of them, anyways) is showing (has recently shown?) a movie. Wanna guess the topic?
Poverty?
Bettering our inner selves?
Tithing?
Getting closer to God?
No. Diebold voting machines!
Kate,
I am not going to defend any antiwar activist who does not respect others. At the same time, I am going to freely criticize GOE members who disrespect us. It all depends on what kind of society you want and whether you want to adhere to principles or partisanship.
COOP,,,One has to make a living..And when there not paying you to pray….what can I say……JD
Coop,
Being a Christian Fundamentalist and antiwar activist myself, I think there are things that Fundamentalists and Progressives can learn from each other.
And yet that’s exactly what you’re doing here. You’re defending the garbage that displayed flag-draped coffins at a graduation ceremony. The same garbage that sees fit to protest the war outside the gates of a military hospital every Friday.
You’re a disgusting piece of trash, Curt. Hate speech? Well, I am a white male and a Christian. So I guess it must be!!
Coop,
Is participating in hate-speech and proclaiming to be Christian consistent? You know what those flag draped coffins represent and their intention. You know that the intention is to stop the deaths of our troops. And you know that our gov’t hides those flag draped coffins from the general public less the public gets a full picture of the costs of this war.
Curt Day writes, “We could add to that the prevalent attitude here is that yous guys view yourselves as superior to us “moonbats”, “racists”, “girly-men”, or whatever else you would call us at the protest. In addition, you attempted to interfere with our march and with our right to hear our speakers.”
We *are* superior to you, Curt. We don’t lie about America. We don’t support America’s enemies. We don’t engage in moral equivalence, comparing American troops to scumbags who kill innocent men, women and children by cutting off their heads and shooting them execution style. We don’t call putting panties on someone’s head “torture”. WE know what torture is. Some of us have personal experience with it.
As for attempting to interfere with your march and your right to hear your speakers, you’re damn right. The days of you guys throwing pies at speakers, shouting them down, physically attacking them and blowing horns when they try to speak will now be matched by us shouting you down and interfering with your marches.
Learn to deal with it. You will never get a free pass again. Don’t like it? Tough. We’ve put up with your crap for forty years without interfering. No more. You can whine and complain all you want. It just confirms what we already know about you. You’re cowards and fools.
Welcome to America. Home of the brave and land of the free.
Curt and Jim,
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You two work really hard at cleaning up this filth routinely found on your side of the fence, and I’ll diligently ask our boys and girls (who have actually EARNED their freedom of speech) to not raise their voices or call you “girly men,” okay?
Just as consistent as your duly noted hypocrisy in that same post, Einstein!
You know what hate speech is? Speech that they hate. And they just hate it when someone calls their bluff, when someone DARES to disagree with them, when someone points out their lies, when someone exposes their hypocrisy.
Every time they accuse us of hate speech, we should celebrate. It’s a clear sign we’re winning.
And so goes the deflection….
That’s okay, we each have our own style. I guess I approach the anti-war folks the same ways I tell my kids to approach bullies…you have to try and carve out a piece of the higher ground, show some class and self-restraint, don’t go whinning to adults for the little stuff…but if they push you too far, become violent or over the top in their verbal abuse, you are allowed to throw Roberts rules aside and enter the debate as you have been invited.
I have been to these events for most of my life, on both sides of the aisle as I come from a family of moonbats, whom I adore and respect though I think they are terribly wrong on most issues, I have seen the moonbat machine from the inside, and it isn’t pretty….
So, feel free to police us and continue to draw attention to our behavior, I have no problem letting the light shine on….I have come to expect that light to never be pointed in the mirror….Trent Lott says something classless and he looses power, Robert Byrd proudly dons a white sheet and it is just a long ago oops….
I feel sorry for those on the left that simply don’t reflect on what they have brought to the table and the social consequences of it….but, being blamers, it is all about us…
The narcissism of the left is as dizzying as it is pathological….
There is a book called Trapped in the Mirror…about growing up with, or being married to, a nacissist….when I put the book down, I suddenly saw the lefties with new eyes, and it even made me feel more than a twinge of pity for them…they just don’t see past themselves with real eyes, and yet jump up and down screaming, “look at me, look at me”
Curt Day writes, “You know what those flag draped coffins represent and their intention. You know that the intention is to stop the deaths of our troops. And you know that our gov’t hides those flag draped coffins from the general public less the public gets a full picture of the costs of this war.”
That’s a lie. The intention of the coffins is to play on people’s emotions and fool them into thinking the war isn’t worth the cost.
When’s the last time you displayed the 3000 coffins of the 9/11 victims? When’s the last time you complained about the murderers of Al Qaeda?
That alone exposes your lies and hypocrisy.
The reason the government “hides” the coffins is because they have respect for the sacrifices of those men, who WILLINGLY laid down their lives for this country. They know better than to expose them to the likes of you and your slimy ilk. They respect the families of those fallen soldiers enough not to expose them to your crass and uncaring exploitation.
Here’s a test for you. Name one soldier who you have “represented” with those coffins. Other than Casey Sheehan, who VOLUNTEERED to take on a dangerous mission to save his buddies and willingly gave his life in the effort.
You care about the coffins as a symbol. You could care less about their contents.
antimedia,
But the Right does lie about America because what they are covering or denying is what needs to be corrected about America.
Someone said that the left is narcissistic. But isn’t that a picture of the Right with its view of America and itself as its defender –the true Americans.
The Right lied about Vietnam. We should have never gone. You can complain about Pol Pot and so on, we are responsible for 500,000 to over 2,000,000 deaths of Vietnam civilians. Thus our problem with the Vietnam war was that we could never win the people because we killed so many of them. You cannot deflect our guilt by pointing to the sins of others. Our very entry, during Eisenhower’s presidency, was against the Geneva Accords which stated that the people of South Vietnam should decide whether to join the North. BTW, the leader of the North was an ally in WWII who helped our pilots.
We could point to other lies about America you promote. All of those lies cover our sins. Why? because to you to say that America has faults is the same as being Anti-american.
Our invasion of Iraq was illegal and immoral regardless of the immorality of Saddamn’s regime. We are fighting a preventive war, the kind condemned at the Nuremburg trials when Germany was on trial. We put Saddamn on trial for war crimes and neglect to admit that most of his worst atrocities came when we were arming him. The sins of Khomeini are provide no redemption for our sins.
We have overthrown democracies (Iran in 1953 and Chile in 1973 just to name a couple) so that we could benefit economically.
Should I go on?
I was never aware that LBJ and JFK were conservatives. Thank you for educating me. [giggle]
Lying? Why stop now? Continue…
By the way, folks. Our “well-meaning lover of peace” [cough, cough] thinks pro-lifers like me should support detonation of bombs in restaurants and day care centers since I abhor the practice of plunging scissors and needles into unborn children.
No wonder you spend so much time trying to drag us down, Curt. It’s likely the only way confused souls such as yours can feel better about themselves.
Why Being Pro-Life Should Include Being Pro-Palestinian (Jan 07), by Curt Day
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_curt_day_070104_why_being_pro_life_s.htm
curt day,
I’m sure with all the hate you have for America, you could go on and on and on and on…
If I had blood on my hands like you do from your position on Vietnam, I’d try and blame others too.
Coop,
I think curt day’s kaffiyah is wrapped a little too tight
curt day,
You’re a grave robber just like Rev Jim.
Didn’t Rev Jim drive a Taxi?
Thanks Raoul…………JD
curt day speaks of detainees rights under the Geneva Accords. People who do not wear a uniform as demanded by the Geneva Accords. People who deliberately target civilians in violation of the Geneva Accords.
curt what they have a right to is a bullet to the head for violating the Geneva Accords, so stop with the Geneva Accords, Geneva Accords, Geneva Accords whining.
And you want them freed after they deliberately slaughter Iraqi women and children?
Don’t you read newspapers? How about the 30 released and then picked up on the battlefield? The blood of the people they killed while set free because of your whining is on your hands. You are a baby killer’s best friend.
http://www.firedupmissouri.com/node/5934
Check out this whining, too damn funny….
These guys talk of now suddenly following the rules, and this guy admits to all the ones he breaks because his view matters most….
He especially was not pleased with a group that secured permits under the same free speech codes they did, and offered free shredding services to anyone who wanted to shred the lefty flyers they had been handed….
Raoul,
If you check my references to the Geneva Accords, they were not regarding detainees though we owe it to the detainees to treat them as dictated by the Geneva Convention. That is unless you are into venting and want to take it out physically on people, many of whom were merely rounded up and have no guilt.
Raoul,
Who says that I either hate America or have blood on my hands? You do. Why? Because instead of engaging in a rational debate where what we say is judged by fact and logic, you want to vent which gives you license to say what you feel without regard to reason or fact.
Coop,
And if you read that article on pro-life and pro-Palestinian, especially the end of the article, I clearly stated that support for the Palestinian cause is a “qualified” support in that we do not support violence. I also said that the same qualified support should go to Israel.
So why do you have to misrepresent to make your point?
curt, the ones that were released and killed again are on your conscience and the blood of their victims is on your hands.
I would be glad to include JFK and LBJ in the lies about Vietnam as well. They were not left though they were democrats, but they were not Right either. But the Right does lie about Nam and its history. That is why they blame the left for our loss there even though we lost Viet Nam way before we withdrew.
The Left said we should have never gone to Vietnam. You can check Chomsky on that.
curt, based on the facts of what your lleaders call for, legitimate and justified acts of desperation against the occupier and a right to resistance, I am NOT name calling when I point out that you hate America and have blood on your hands.
That’s their objective and you support them, so if the bloody hand fits, wear it!
Raoul,
List the people calling for that and the scope of the acts and resistance, and I can tell you whether or not I regard those people as my leaders. Why are you assuming leaders for me?
curt,
here’s a deal for you. We’ll arrange for you to spend a month in detention with the people you support. If you’re alive in 30 days, we’ll release one.
How about it curt? Be a good sport.
You guys went and became Human Shields for Saddam, why not our MPs?
Sorry, we can’t supply you with a kewl double decker hippies bus or some weed like you had for Saddam, but think about it anyway, OK?
curt,
Name the “popular front groups” that organized the New London and West Point protests.
If you’re having trouble, look at the photos, they are the ones who supplied the pre-printed signs.
Now match the front group to the backer and we can talk.
Let’s see if you’re honest, intellectually or otherwise.
curt,
Reading Chomsky (or Zinn) rots your brain.
Raoul,
I find conservatives inconsistent with regards to the law. When it comes to immigration, conservatives throw a fit when immigrants break our laws, we want them punished. But realize that the U.S. is part of a larger community called the world. That means we should be just as concerned about breaking international law as we are concerned when immigrants break U.S. laws. Inconsistency here shows a lack of true concern for following the law.
Raoul,
I don’t know of anyone who became a human shield for Saddamn. As for groups organizing the protests, I know of Answer and UFPJ. I personally prefer the latter. I am not from NY and heard about the protest at the last moment.
Finally, I find Chomsky and Zinn to be more consistent with the Bible than many Christian writers. Seeing that I am a Christian fundamentalist, I do know plenty of Christian writers.
The lefty sense of entitlement SLAYS me! Where is it written that our government should exploit the valiant troops who have given their lives in the defense of liberty by parading their flag draped caskets on the 6 o’clock news? Does the government really hide the casualties? There’s websites dedicated to the number and types of casualties. Those killed in action are honored respectfully in their local newspapers and other media. In Connecticut we fly our flags at half staff for EVERY KIA. What do the moonbats want? Do they want us to parade around with the dead bodies over our heads like they do in Iran and other muslim nations while we scourge ourselves?
I was at GOE I, The Coast Guard Academy, and West Point and I will continue to put myself in the face of the moonbats until they’ve all returned to their twisted belfries. Do I disrespect their opinions? You bet. There is no unity of purpose with the moonbats, merely anarchy. I try to teach my children that when you try to be all things to all people, you’ll end up being nothing to yourself. I believe the peace nazis illustrate this point perfectly.
Curt……MANY of the people from “your side of the street” DESPISE you and everything you believe, mention GOD in front of them one time too often and they might file a frivolous suit against you. You know, some refer to Moon Bats as useful idiots, I’m beginning to see why.
So you know of ANSWER and UFPJ, so (1) tell us who are they front groups for if you are so intellually superior?
And tell us (2) where did ANSWER demand that the “peace movement here and abroad give unconditional support to Iraq’s anti-colonial resistance”?
(3) Where did both ANSWER and UFPJ endorse the other side in this war rather than ask both sides to cease fire?
And how come ANSWER, which is apparently so against this war in Iraq, was formed three days after the September 11th mass murders?
Perhaps I missed all the ANSWER protests against Al Qaeda and other REAL human rights violators.
Curt, I misrepresented nothing. I linked to your article. Your words, not mine. You CANNOT support the Palestinian cause, especially with terrorist group Hamas as its “political” arm, without supporting terrorism. You’ve made your bed. Now lie in it. (double entendre intended)
Raoul,
Why have a hierarchy here (intellectually superior)? ANSWER depends to be more authoritarian in their approach and does favor more socialistic groups. I am unaware of what groups UFPJ associate with but I know they are not authoritarian. Personally, I will march with anyone who is in favor of peace when the issue is war. I will disagree with groups on other issues.
You seem to want to discredit a whole organization based on what?
Coup,
You grossly misrepresented me by not including the fact that I oppose violence by both Israelis and Palestinians and that I believe we should offer both the same qualified support. Those are my words and concepts communicated in that article. To state otherwise is to misrepresent.
Did you know, btw, how long a moratorium Hamas held against attacking Israel and yet Israel had killled hundreds of Palestinians during that time?
That is not to say that Hamas is innocent. They are not. But using the international law and the same standards that we use on Hamas and we will find that the Israeli gov’t is not innocent either. Below are links to two articles from Sara Roy, Senior Research Scholar at Harvard and she is Jewish talking about Israel:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=12526
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=11149
Below is a link to an interview conducted with Tom Segev who is Israeli
http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/people4/Segev/segev-con0.html
Finally is a link to a site written by Christian fundamentalists:
http://www.knoxseminary.org/Prospective/Faculty/WittenbergDoor/index.html
I mention these sources because you seem interested in valid sources.
Geez Coop - you could’ve at least emailed me there was some fun going on here! LOL
We had a moonbat where I was walking around with a “Who Would Jesus Bomb?” sign. These guys are a joke and everyone but them knows it!
JIM BRIDGES ON #7…. “THE RESPONSES I HAVE RECIEVED ARE HATE FILLED”.
I DON’T HATE YOU JIM… I JUST DON’T LIKE YOU.
Okay, Star. To make it up to you I’ll let you take over.
LOL! It’d be my pleasure!
It’s amazing how much of the Bible has to be ignored when you try to use it to prop up your anti-war stands.
curt,
You are a liar. Both ANSWER and UFPJ are authoritarian. UFPJ will pretend to listen, let you vote, but not in secret, but it’s still the packed Steering Committee that does cagan’s bidding.
In fact, the DC Anti-War network withheld their UFPJ dues in protest.
You’re also a liar for ducking the matter of who is behind ANSWER and UFPJ.
Come on curt, tell the truth. Try it just this once.
“Personally, I will march with anyone who is in favor of peace when the issue is war.”
Well curt, maybe you and David Duke can share a motel room next march because he’s against this war too.
Maybe when you two march side by side, you can share a king sized sheet.
I’ll be looking for the pointy head with four eye holes in the sheet so I can wave to you two comrades.
curt,
Discredit a whole group? It’s not the fringe of your group but the leadership that’s in question.
And you ARE a LIAR. Since you can recite that ANSWER is authoriarian while UFPJ is not, if you know that much, you know the rest and can ANSWER the question.
But you LIE instead.
MikeBSuffolk,
I don’t hate Rev Jim. I just don’t support his mission.
JIM DIEHL “BELIZE” ON #36, I JUST ABOUT HIT THE FLOOR. I CAN’T STOP LAUGHING.
DAMN THIS THREAD HAS BEEN BUSY SINCE LAST NIGHT.
CURT DAY, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU MAN? YOU KEEP COMING BACK FOR MORE. DOH, SORRY, I FORGOT YOU HAVE BRAIN DAMAGE. GET WELL SOON..
EAGLES UUUP!!
curt,
Why can’t ANSWER’s own folks keep the peace in their own house? You guys claim that all we need to do is talk to terrorists, yet ANSWER is at war with itself?
Why do UFPJ and ANSWER fight each other?
Curt, let me see if I can put this in terms you can understand. If you were married, and you spent your entire life constantly protesting your wife’s faults, don’t you think a divorce would be inevitable? Don’t you think it would be logical for her to question your love for her?
Or, to put it another way, if you have a friend, and all you ever did was point out your friend’s faults and criticize him or her for not correcting those faults, don’t you think that friendship would be shortlived? Don’t you think your friend might wonder if you ever really cared for him or her at all?
You see, there’s a time and a place for criticism, and there is a time and a place for unconditional support. Mature people figure this out. Christians should already practice it.
As far as Chomsky goes, he’s a linguistics professor with no background in history who fancies himself a historian. Yet he can’t even get simple facts right or argue logically. I’m not surprised you admire him, because your thought processes are rather disordered as well.
You seem not even able to comprehend that you willingly and actively support communist organizations. You claim to be a fundamentalist Christian, yet you seem blissfully unaware that communism replaces the God of the Bible with the god of the state (Satan). You claim to support peace yet you ignore the fact that the people you work with and protest with and support have been responsible for the deaths of more human beings, by far, than any “evil” the US may ever have committed in defense of freedom. You gladly point out the faults of the US yet ignore the faults of tyrants and murderers. You accept the most blatantly false claims against America as though they were truth, without even questioning if they are so or wondering if the “truth-tellers” have an agenda.
You’re entitled to your opinions, just as everyone is. But please don’t insult our intelligence by insisting that yours are informed ones. They are clearly not.
For example (and only one), the war with Iraq was not illegal, all silly protests to the contrary. Iraq was in clear and repeated violation of the terms of the peace treaty signed in 1991, and the US had the right, under international law, to enforce the terms of that treaty at any time. Saying the war is illegal does not make it so, any more than saying that the US was wrong to enter Vietnam (when we were honoring the terms of our treaty with them) makes that wrong.
Pointing out America’s faults is not un-American. Supporting her enemies is.
antimedia,
Good points.
While riding home from Rolling Thunder XX thruogh the beautiful rolling hills and mountains of the Shenandoah Valley on monday I had much time to reflect on the wonderful but somber few days that had just passed. I came to several conculsions on that ride home one of which was to follow the advise of the very best friend a man could ever have, Navy Seal D.R.L. Douglas R was famous for saying “life is too short to try to teach a jackass how to sing.” With that in mind I made a choice not to engage in conversation with those from the other side of the street.
I have on several occasions attempted to have a respectful debate with the likes of our old friends Johnnie and Frankie but my offer has gone unanswered when they realized I was not going to swallow what they were serving as if I was a member of the Jim Jones cult. Now James and Curt pop their little heads up with the same old garbage. While I had promised myself I would not waste any more time on their kind I can simply not let Curt’s above post (#61 above) go unanswered.
The 2 million plus who died in the killing fields of Cambodia died as a direct result of liberal American politics Curt, make no mistake about that! And where do your # of civilians we killed come from? The army of North Vietnam was all but totally destroyed after the Tet Offensive. These are the facts as stated by THE Commanding General of the amry of North Vietnam. He was in fact so concernered with the state of moral that he was preparing the government in the north for defeat. But then the unthinkable happened. Richard Nixon, concerned with the Watergate probe, took his eye off the ball and allowed the leftwing to cave under pressure from the “peace movement” Senators & Congressmen began running the war and in short order our military, who had not lost even one major battle to that point, was handcuffed.
There seem to be some errie parallels with the Vietnam and Iraq wars there Curt. I think we can agree that most politicians are not battle field experts yet they assume they know best how to run a war. Well Curt, didn’t work out real well in Nam and they don’t seem to be doing a great job of it in Iraq either. It’s tough to fight a war when the enemy is allowed to run in to a church/mosque and effectively yell “SAFE” as if it were some sort of children’s game of tag. It’s tough to fight a war when politicians and American liberals are more worried about upsetting the poor little terrorists sensibilities than getting the job done. It is tough to fight a war with an enemy who holds no value for human life. Yes, Jim & Curt they would rather see you dead than say a simple hello to you. Let us not forget who started this war and how it was started. As my friend Kate has said above, when you make the rules you too must play by them. By the way that goes for them and it goes for you also.
You want an end to this war boys? Then turn our troops loose! It will be over in a matter of a month or two. Want to keep playing patty cake, it could last forever! But know this James and Curt, as I have said before, if we don’t end this now you can bet your life that you will be fighting terrorists in the cities and towns of America within your lifetime.
As for who started the war or at least our involvement in Vietnam. Coop is right, as usual, may want to take a real hard look at Kennedy and Johnson.
Perhaps Eisenhower peeked in the door but your Democratic hereo sure has hell kicked it in.
Steppin’ down; for now
Soapbox
IF NOT US, WHO? IF NOT NOW, WHEN?
By the way boys where is your outrage about DUI deaths and the murder rate in the U.S.A. ? Do you know that our young men and women who have placed themselves in harms way are actually at less risk of dying in Iraq than you are on the streets of your hometown. That boys is a fact! Think about it!
P.S.
To MikeBSuffolk
Thanx for getting me back on track. I’m humbled by your confidence in me. I’ll try not to let you or the rest of the Eagles down. So on this platform I formally announce my candidacy for the office of……… Just kidding Folks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CURT DAY
AS YOU SEEM TO SOME HOW THINK YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SET THE GROUND RULES FOR OUR RALLYS AGAINST YOUR LITTLE DOG &PONY SHOWS LET ME ADDRESS YOU DIRECT.
I CARE LESS WHAT YOU THINK COMRAD,..PERIOD.
YOU, AND YOUR EVIL BREED ARE WHAT KEEPS ME FOCUSED ON THE RALLY LINE.
YOU ARE THE VERY REASON I RETIRED TO BE THERE EACH AND EVERY TIME YOUR PLAY YOUR CON GAME FOR THE MEDIA.
AS FOR YOUR FLOWERS CURT, SAVE THEM. THE KKK TRYED TO HAND OUT GIFTS TO ME WHEN I FACES THERE RALLYS IN NC,
IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A REAL PAL CURT, GET A DOG..AND I PITY THE DOG.
WHEN YOUR BREED POST HERE I SAVE THEN, PRIOR TO OUR RALLY I READ THEM. NEXT TIME I WILL READ YOURS FIRST AND SAY TO MYSELF “THIS ONE IS FOR CURT” I NEVER DID GET AN ANSWER FROM JIM, SO CURT, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDIA, OR DO YOU CARE, HOW YOUR SCUM TREATED ME, AND MY BROTHERS AS WE WENT TO WAR?.
I CAN TELL YOU NOW YOU DO NOT,ASK ME IF I FEEL YOUR PAIN, ASK ME IF I HAVE ONE BIT OF PITY FOR YOU CURT, THE ANSWER IS HELL NO CURT.
DID I SOUND LIKE I HAVE NO PC MANNERS CURT? CURT YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING AT ALL OF THE FIRE THAT BURNS WITHIN THIS EAGLE.
SUCK IT MY LITTLE CRY BABY, I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU FEEL WE EAGLES NEED TO WIPE YOUR TEARS AFTER WE SPANK YOUR BUTT.
COME OUT TO PLAY COMRAD, WALK UP TO MY FACE ON THE RALLY LINE AND TAKE A REAL GOOD LOOK IN MY EYES.
YOU ONLY CRANK IT UP WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR BLACK BLOC PUNKS STANDING BEHIND YOU TO ATTACK AND DISTROY.
CURT I NOW TEACH POLICE DEPT’S TO DEAL WITH YOUR BLACK BLOC, PRIOR TO THERE ARRIVAL.
YOU NEED NOT LOOK FOR JOY HERE WITH THE G.O.E., BUT PLEASE STAY, IT IS YOUR RIGHT, AS IT IS MINE TO TELL YOU I LAFF AT YOUR STUPID COMMENTS.
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT HERE, CONVERTS?. I HAVE MADE MANY FROM WITHIN YOUR RANKS, MOST ARE CRYING AS THEY WALK OVER TO US, WHERE WE HUG THEM AND SAY “WELCOME HOME BROTHER” SOMETHING I WILL NEVER SAY TO YOU CURT.
CURT, ARE YOU ONE OF THE PAID CLOWNS?, OR ARE YOU LIKE ME?, I WORK FOR FREE TO SAVE MY COUNRTY FROM YOU. GET A LIFE CURT, AND REMEMBER
KISS THE HAND, INTILL THEY CAN CUT IT OFF.
GOT TO GO NOW, BACK TO READING THE HOLY BOOKS THAT EXPLAIN MY OPTIONS AS TO HOW I MUST DEAL WITH TERRORIST WHO WISH TO KILL ME & MINE,..YOU CURT WILL BE SAVED FOR LAST, THEY ALWAYS SAVE THE CATTLE{SLAVES} FOR LAST.
SEE YOU ON THE RALLY LINE, I WILL HAVE A BOX OF KLEENEX TO WIPE BOTH YOURS & JIMS TEARS.
Darn!! I thought you were serious. Now I gotta figure out who to vote for.
I support the Ku Klux Klan… just not all that racism.
I support Playboy… just not all that female nudity.
I support…
(you get the idea)
I support peace….but not all that wimpiness??
URBAN INFIDEL
YOU ARE VERY SPECIAL TO ME, YOU ARE A TRUE LADY EAGLE.
AS A TRUE INFIDEL I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN ON THE RALLY LINE.
PUBLIC NOTICE
TO MOONBATS WHO CANNOT, OR WILL NOT CONTROL THERE ANGER & THERE SIGNS.
THERE WILL BE A SILENT RECORD OF ALL FUTURE G.O.E. COUNTER RALLYS.
IF ANY FUTURE ASSAULTS HAPPEN THIS RECORD WILL BE USED TO HAVE YOU ARRESTED, CHARGED, AND SENT TO JAIL.
THIS IS NOT A THREAT,…YOU MAY CONSIDER IT A PROMISE.
IF AN ASSULT TAKES PLACE IN THE PRESENTS OF ANY EAGLE I ASSURE YOU THE LAW ALLOWS ONE TO COME TO THE AID OF A FEMALE UNDER ATTACK,..MUST I DRAW YOU A PICTURE?
MOONBATS,..KEEP YOUR HANDS ON YOUR SIGNS,..LOOK WHERE YOU ARE GOING,..AND TRY REAL HARD TO UNDERSTAND YOU MUST PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS,..THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE LEARNED ON THE PLAYGROUND.
I support Curt day, but not his lying.
I support Rolling Thunder, but not all those motorcycles!
Coup,
The moment you say that people have earned their freedom of speech, as you did in an earlier post, then you have shown a complete disregard for the 1 amendment.
SOAPBOX: YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT BROTHER. I ALWAYS ENJOY READING THE COMMENTS YOU HAVE. RESPONDING TO HIS BS IS SOMETIMES THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET IT OUT. THE CURTS & FRANKS OF THE WORLD WOULD NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO SAY IT TO YOUR FACE WITHOUT A CROWD OF LIKEMINDED DIMWITS BEHIND THEM AND A DOZEN POLICE OFFICERS CLOSE BY. OTHERWISE THEY KNOW THEY WOULD BE GRABBED BY THE THROAT AND SHAKE THE SHIT OUT OF ‘EM.
CURT, I MENTIONED LASTWEEK THAT YOU SHOULD FLY TO BAGHDAD (CIVILIANS CAN DO THAT YOU KNOW) AND GO ON A WALKABOUT, MAYBE JOURNEY TO FALLUJAH AND ON OVER TO ANBAR PROVINCE AND SPREAD “THE WORD”. I’M SURE AL QAEDA WOULD ENJOY HEARING YOUR WORDS OF “WISDOM”
PERSONNALY, I GIVE YOU 4 HOURS TOPS.
DUDE, YOU NEED TO GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE. SOAPBOX, GEORGE, JIM, COOP,KATE, ANTIMEDIA, AND RAOUL HAVE FLAT KICKED YOUR ASS. AND TRUST ME, EACH ONE COULD HAVE DONE IT BY HIMSELF. DAMN, I THOUGHT “FRANK” WAS THICK, BUT YOU GOT HIM BEAT BUDDY.
BY THE WAY SHENANDOAH VALLEY “IS” ONE OF THE PRETTIEST SPOTS YOU WILL EVER SEE. I CAN SIT UP ON THAT OVERLOOK AND KICK BACK AND JUST LOOK. NOTHIN’ BETTER.
EAGLES UUUP!!!
Raoul,
First, making easy accusations, such as saying I am lying, is not a sign of an objective mind. Another difference between us is that you use individual faults of a person or group to disqualify everything they have to do and say. This is not logical nor healthy.
George,
When I read posts like yours I am reminded of Jesus’ parable of the two men praying. The religious expert thanked God that he was not like the tax collector. The tax collector simply prayed for mercy. However you want to describe me, if I am receiving God’s mercy, then that is fine. But remember what happened to the religious expert.
Many in GOE want to speak as if there is a hierarchy of people–you do have some counterparts on the left as well. I know from too many sources that our engagements here are between equals rather between a superior and an inferior. The Bible says that. The Declaration of Independence says that. And the mirror says that.
Dear NC Eagle,
I am a Marine combat veteran with the Purple Heart. When I returned from Vietnam in late 1969, They spat on me, my uniform was torn and I was called horrible names,——but because of Americans like YOU, I would do it all again in a heartbeat !!!!!
SEMPER FIDELIS !
Mike,
Are you really saying that people from your side would violently react to what I am saying if given the opportunity? If so, how does that reflect on your position?
I SUPPORT ATHLETIC SUPPORTERS… CURT, PUT ONE ON YOUR HEAD AND RUN AROUND THE BLOCK A FEW TIMES SCREAMING “I AM A CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST, I AM A CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST, I AM AAA FUNDAMMMM, I M AFUUHHHH, I M TALTIST, I… AM… MENTAL.
EAGLES UUUP!!!
Mr. Curt Day;
I have a dream!——– 5 Minutes in a closet with you ! I think I could change your mind about a few things. Dieing isn’t the worst thing that can happen to someone!!!
GO AWAY COMMUNIST ASSHOLE !
CURT - STOP you are giving me a headache!!!!!!!!!!
Close tags?
Hey Raoul, doesn’t this sound suspiciously like ol’ Curt is judging the entire group of Eagles on the basis of one person’s comment?!? [slapping thigh]
Soapbox
The cycle of violence was guaranteed when we entered the Vietnam fray. Again, the disillusionment of a WWII ally, the black-white thinking and broad brush painting of the enemy caused us to react in a way that brought out the worse of both sides. You can listen or read Martin Luther King’s analysis of the conflict and realize that he had a very clear picture.
It is the military leadership who publicly said we lost the war because we lost the people of South Vietnam. It was not because the politicians made too many strategic decisions, it was because we fought the war in the first place with a WWII model. When you kill 2,000,000 civilians of the country you are trying to save, you give yourself big obstacles to overcome. It was the use of force in the first place that caused us to lose Vietnam.
Likewise, the decision to overthrow Iran’s democracy in 1953 because they were going to nationalize their oil has caused repercussions that we have yet to recover from. We supported a repressive regime in the Shah that only guaranteed a bitter backlash in the Iranian revolution. Then, based on boolean logic, we played Saddamn against the Ayatollah in a no-win game because the cycle of repercussions that are endless.
In the end, if you look at our war from a financial point of view. We are spending more money than the enemy only to see a net gain in terrorism and terrorist recruits. The source of money is not infinite. So unless we can turn it around and really produce a net gain, how can we win?
For all of the negative talk from GOE, there are some trends that you should be aware of. When the White Rose papers came out in Germany in 1943, the mere talk of Germany’s possible defeat or criticizing the government was considered giving aid and comfort to the enemy and high treason. Stop there. With which group can you most identify with in this story?
There are good people I have met from GOE at the protest and none them talk like the aggressive bunch that I have met here. But both sides have one thing in common, the future of our country is on the line here. I am with the antiwar movement because I believe that their overall view, not all of their views, provides the best hope for my country–the country my kids are becoming adults in. You are with GOE for the same reason. If that is something we have in common, why not discuss these issues as people who have mutual interests?
Well, well… what do we have here? Ol’ Curt is passing judgment on our entire group. Tsk tsk.
Are The Gathering Of Eagles Neobrownshirts? (5/28/07)
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_curt_day_070527_are_the_gathering_of.htm
Curt is not only a clueless, sanctimonious jerk, but a stunning hypocrite.
Please don’t take this the wrong way, Curt, but if you don’t like our aggressive nature, then get the hell off this forum you hypocritical, America-hating, snivelling piece of trash. [smiling sweetly]
Since it had to be moderated, Curt, perhaps you missed my kind offer in post #58. So I’ll repeat it here (although you’ll need to access the links up at #58):
Deal?
Curt, your butt has been roundly and soundly spanked. Comparing us to 1943 Germans is really really dumb but…given the weak arguments you present time after time after time, not surprising.
Even though it is NOT your job to judge me, rather it is the job of my Creator, I’d STILL rather be judged with this bunch of people than any other on this planet.
The future of our country IS on the line, and I for one am UNWILLING to surrender to Islamofascists and Terrorists. For those interested in brokering a peace deal, I urge you to quickly establish diplomatic ties with Al Queda. however don’t send any female emissaries as they have no say under Sharia Law. Oh, and if you’re homosexual, you might wanna keep it on the closet as it’s an abomination before Allah. In fact, it would be best if you converted to Islam before you go or they might hand you your head before you even get to the bargaining table.
This piece of advice was brought to you by Proud Infidels for VICTORY
Want to be an Infidel? Here’s how you can join us. LIVE in the USA. (you don’t have to love it, you just have to live here) But wait! There’s more! Don’t want to be an Infidel? TOO Late, you already are….just like the rest of us.
# 35, Joe66….feels good to tell it like it is, doesn’t it?
CURT: SHAKING THE CRAP OUT OF YOU ISN’T VIOLENT. IT’S A WAY OF GETTING YOUR ATTENTION. DIDN’T YOU GET SPANKED WHEN YOU WERE LITTLE? OR IS THAT TOO VIOLENT FOR YOU TOO? WELL CURT, I’LL GIVE YOU A CLUE AS TO WHAT VIOLENCE IS TO ME.
IT’S CUTTING THE HEADS OFF OF AMERICANS IN THE NAME OF ALLAH!!!!! YOU SIMPLE MINDED SOB!!!!!!
March 27, 2006
Is Violence A Conservative Value?
[by] Curt Day
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/cday_20060327.html
Curt spends quite a bit of time here comparing conservatives to Islamic terrorists. [cue Curt whining about being misrepresented]
But . . . I don’t understand!!
I thought all conservatives were slack-jawed, beer-guzzling, Skoal-sucking, NASCAR-watching rednecks!!
Where did you learn to write like that?
Well done, NC!!
I believe it is possible to put a domain blocker on those people who want to use up all the space so a real American has to spend all day scrolling down to get in a comment.
Curtsy and Jimmiekins would best be ignored. They’ve LOST!! They are LOSERS who don’t deserve space on an honorable website!!
Bummer! I believe ya’ll ran these guys out of here. I can’t stand preaching to the choir!
Speaking of misreprenting, here’s a collection of estimates of South Vietnamese civilians killed (not by Americans, KILLED by WAR and all parties/methods in general). Please note that the one and only estimate of 2,000,000 encompasses 1954-1975. American combat forces were there en masses for only about 8 or 9 of those years.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm
South Vietnamese civilians
* 50,000 (Gilbert)
* 250,000 (Olson)
* 287,000 (Clodfelter = 247,600 war deaths + 38,954 assassinated by NLF)
* 300,000 (Kutler; Summers)
* 340,000 (Lewy’s estimate, with the possibility that an additional 222,000 counted as VC (above) belong in this category)
* 430,000 (The Sen. E. Kennedy Commission, according to Lewy, Olson)
* 522,000 (Wallechinsky*)
* 1,000,000 (Britannica [in both North and South]; Eckhardt; Grenville*)
* 2,000,000 (Tucker*, Official VN* [N&S, 1954-75],)
* [MEDIAN: starred*: ca. 1,500,000. unstarred: 300,000]
Keep in mind that the Viet Cong, when dead, bore a striking resemblance to civilians. Kinda like the jihadists and all those weddings these days.
misreprenting = misrepresenting
Coop
You are right when you say that misrepresenting = misrepresenting. I wrote that article not to compare conservatives here to Islamic terrorists but to pose the possibility that there is a correlation between conservatism and violence. And if there is, then the current war we are in is an intramural war between conservatives. That means that one possible solution to the mess we are in is to in some ways become more liberal.
I would pose that there are two dynamics involved that you might have seen in yourself as we have dialogued here. First, Conservatives seem to have a craving to control. This is in part because they tend to be purist who may not be able to take blemishes lightly. Second, Conservatives tend to have a passion to punish when there are offenses. Use conservatives from Christianity, Judiasm, and Islam to see if it is the conservatives in each religion who are more prone to having to control and wanting to punish.
Here we are talking about tendencies not absolutes. But at least I can say you are starting to read some good stuff.
Mike,
All you have done is to state there are different degrees of violence. And it seems to be fueled by intolerance regardless of the degree of violence. Perhaps you are verifying my article that Coop referenced
JOE66: THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART FOR HELPING TO PROTECT MY COUNTRY, MY FAMILY, AND ALL THESE GREAT EAGLES.
WE WILL NOT LET UP OVER HERE AS LONG AS YOU ARE OVER THERE!!!
EAGLES UUUP!!!
CURT
YOU ARE PRICELESS!!, YOU HAVE WRAPPED TOGETHER ALL THE TALKING POINTS I USE AS A COASTER TO SET MY BUD LIGHT ON AS I SIT HERE AND WATCH YOU BABBLE IN PUBLIC WITHOUT A PERMIT.
PROTEST POLITICS HAS BEEN VIBRANT AGAINST BUSH AND THE WAR IN IRAQ, BUT ITS BEEN INTERGENERARIONAL. THERE DOESN,T SEEM TO BE A RESURGENCE OF STUDENT ACTIVISM
TOM HAYDEN
X-HUSBAND OF HANOI JAN
TOM IS NOW IN A 12 STEP PROGRAM TO RECOVER FROM ALL THE COMMIE BABBLE HE WAS EXPOSED TO WHILE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ESCAPE FROM THIS VILE WOMAN
TOM SAID YOU HAVE HIS GREAT RESPECT CURT, FOR JUST BEING IN THE SAME ROOM AS THIS MOONBAT WITHOUT A TRIP TO THE LOONIE BIN.
DO YOU NOW KNOW CURT WHY YOU DID NOT MATCH THE 250.000 PROTESTERS IN WASHINGTON DC ON MARCH 17 2007?
PLEASE LET ME EXPLAIN O LEARNED ONE
NO DRAFT,..NO DRAFT,..NO DRAFT,..
DID YOU PICK UP ON THE NO DRAFT?
WITHOUT A MILITARY DRAFT ONLY THE OLD HIPPIE DRAFT DODGER’, {BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU HEARD THAT ONE CURT ?, AND THERE SPAWN ARE ALL ALONE, YOU ARE AN EMPTY SUIT, YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON YOUR PAY ROLL WHO PANDER TO THE MOONBATS TO GET THEM ON THE BUS AND TO HOLD THE SIGN UP WHERE YOU CAN READ IT.
LET ME RECAP- FOR THE SLOW
1. NO DRAFT, LOW MOONBAT SUPPORT
2. NEW DAY, NEW PEOPLE TO FACE YOU.
3. WE DO TROOP SUPPORT, YOU DO WHAT EVER THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FUNDING YOUR “PEACE” MOVEMENT, YOU GO NO FURTHER THEN YOUR MASTERS TELL YOU TO GO.
4. WE WORK FOR FREE, WE DO NOPT LIKE YOUR “PEACE” PLAN TO DISTROY OUR MILITARY.
5. PLEASE STICK AROUND, YOU DO MORE TO BUILD EAGLE TEAM SPERIT THEN A PEP TALK FROM HONEST ABE.
CURT I PRAY FOR YOU WITH RESPECT.
AS A OLD SOLDIER I HAVE SEEN BEHIND THE GATES OF HELL & YOU NEED TO TAKE A PEEK FOR YOUR SELF.
I WAS BROUGHT TO THE CROSS BY A VIETNAM VET PREACHER WHO SERVED 4 1/2 YEARS AS A SNIPER & I DONT THINK YOU CAN EVER UNDERSTAND WHY I PRAY IN PUBLIC WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE A.N.S.W.E.R. LEADERSHIP.
HOPE I DID NOT BORE YOU CURT.
AS I HAVE A LIMITED GOVERNMENT SCHOOL EDUCATION, AND THE FACT MY MOM DROPPED ME ON MY HEAD I AM NO MATCH FOR A BIG CITY COMMIE LIKE YOU
SEE YOU ON THE RALLY LINE CURT.
CURT: GO GET A DRINK OF WATER AND SHUT UP FOR AWHILE. IF YOU SPENT THIS MUCH TIME DOING SOMETHING POSITIVE YOU COULD GET A HELL OF A LOT DONE.
SINCE YOU ARE HERE ALREADY WHY DON’T START BY THANKING JOE66 and SSGT CHAMBERS FOR SERVING AND PROTECTING YOUR ASS. I GOTTA GO, SO I’LL CHECK BACK TOMORROW TO SEE IF YOU DID. GOT MY DOUBTS THOUGH.
SAY GOODNIGHT “JOHNNY”
CURT
MAY I ASK YOU WHAT YOU DO AT NIGHT TO MAKE ALL THOSE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD GO TO SLEEP AT THE SAME TIME?
GET A HARLEY, GO WHOO WHOO DOWN A DIRT ROAD & FIND OUT THE TRUE REASON WHY DOGS HANG THERE HEADS OUT THE WINDOW.
GO PART TIME CURT, LAFF FOR ONCE,