Honor Those Who Serve: Sign the Petition Against Winter Soldier
February 26, 2008
Please take a moment to sign this incredibly important petition to the Senate Armed Services Committee about the upcoming Winter Soldier hearings in Washington, D.C.
We the undersigned request that the United States Senate Armed Services Committee take the following steps:
* Make request of the Iraq Veterans Against the War that member(s) of Committee staff be permitted to attend the entire Winter Soldier Investigation “testimony” proceedings and be provided access to those testifying.
* That in the event that staff determines that there has been testimony given that touches on areas where, in the words of Senator Warner, the members of the SASC “have a responsibility to establish where in the military chain of command rests the ‘accountability,’ depending of course, on the accuracy of the facts…”, the Committee or a Sub-Committee of its delegation begin proceedings to follow-up on the claims made.
* That the Committee or Sub-Committe investigation be prepared to request and/or subpoena all documents and records, signed statements and recordings, audio, video or digital, that bear on the claims made and being investigated.
* That those making such claims or professing publicly to verify those claims be requested or subpoenaed to appear before the Committee or Sub-Committee, under oath, to answer questions.
The IVAW has also publicly stated that it intends to have the unsworn “testimony” from the upcoming event also entered into the Congressional Record. In 1971 the Senate of the United States was derelict in its duty of both oversight and follow-up and in the reasonable regard and respect it should have shown in consideration of the sacrifice and service of the American armed forces and veterans.
We request that the members of the Senate Armed Services Committee not allow what happened to a previous generation of veterans be allowed to happen to another and even be aided, as it was then, by the United States Senate.
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Signed. Soldier On!
No more J*** K***y lies
SIGNED
airborne !!!!!!
No more lies, …No more elected officials turning yellow and running, ….No more making the world think we are all cowards!
And there is a huge difference between the “voice of dissent” and the “fifth column” bent on destroying our nation by turning it over to the communist at the UN. As soon as this present problem is cleared up, this fifth column will be cleaned up once and for all.
Ed
I’ve signed as well!
Hey, I’m an OIF Vet, how could I NOT sign????
Signed!
God Bless our Troops and their mission!
signed
It is shameful to keep the real sorrows of war from touching the hearts of the American people. As Americans, we can no longer live under delusions of victory among the actual tragedies that occur in war, all wars, any war, whenever it has occurred in history. Any “kick-ass” speech which seeks to inspire support of war will fail to justify the unimaginable suffering that is imposed upon the victims of war.
So long as war continues, the death of a soldier will be my death. The sorrow of a mother will be my sorrow. The screaming of children will be my screaming. The house with bullet holes will be my house. The neighborhood demolished by bombs will be my neighborhood. The society in turmoil will be my society. The world in fear will be my world.
COdude, did you sign the petition, or just come here to practice your pre-jump speech before you jump off a cliff. Trust me, skip the speech, just jump already, will ya… Everytime your heart bleeds, someone far better than you dies.
navairdan: Please, do not make light of the grave subject of war. These are real tragedies occurring to real people we are talking about.
I know many people are currently dying who are much more deserving of the fruits of life than I. I know there are probably many noble people in the US military who would be great role models for me to follow. I do not want them to die. I want them to live so that they might teach generations of people in their noble ways.
I know my speeches are not enough to stop war, but I must speak out against efforts to make war a heroic institution of human civilization. It has never been heroic. Only people who never experience war can claim it is heroic. It is always a tragedy. That’s why a conviction to sympathize with war’s victims is extremely important. Only then can humankind walk away from the podium of platitudes and get to work to dismantle the vast machinery of death that has overtaken our civilization. It will be difficult and will require great sacrifice, but we must break the cycle of violence and show that the myth of redemptive violence has no clothes. Otherwise, the cycle might become a vortex that devours us all.
the world will know true peace when the curse of radical Islam is fully and completely rejected and expunged from the fabric of humanity . Not until.
This is a war that has been on-going ,in one form or another, since the 700’s…
It’s time to finish it.
Oh, right, I forgot that the war against al Qaeda justifies the destruction of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives and the displacement of millions. Never mind the facts that the Iraqis are taking care of al Qaeda themselves, al Qaeda uses the US occupation for propaganda, poll after poll shows that Iraqis view the occupation as a threat to their security and political reconciliation, and that waging war for peace is contradictory.
Hey codude, I have a better idea; why don’t YOU stop encouraging your gutless ragheaded buddys from assassinating more of my brothers and sisters because of your gutless, un-American HATE SPEECH?????
Do you know what’s REALLY happening in Iraq? Do you know that there are Army Medics immunizing Iraqi children, there are Army Engineers rebuilding roads and other infrastructure, and there are Soldiers going into schools and orphanges distributing school supplies and sports equipment all donated by good REAL Americans back here at home.
Do you know HOW I know these things?????
Because I’ve actually BEEN to Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stick that in your gutless, Soldier-hating, un-American, anti-military pipe AND SMOKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Enough speech, jump already. Before you do, read a book, understand humanity and the evils within, in it’s utter unchangable form. Know that evil will exist wherever good men do nothing. When you understand these basic facts, you’ll understand the need for a military made of up free men, who’ve volunteered to fight, and yes kill evil men, as they should, when ever and where ever possible.
And listen up you! Stop with the BS figures of “hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives”. Iraqi authorities have just said 45,000, and almost all due to terror-murders & car bombs. Al Qaeda displaced the Iraqis. Be happy, they’re coming back. The BS figures you throw around are direct quotes from Marxist moonbat sites and hopelessly anti-American media outlets. Have some pride.
Where was your stupid bleeding heart when Hussein was slaughtering his own (actual) hundreds of thousands & when Clinton bombed Serbia into the middles ages, and on and on and on? You were silent, like your moonbat minions, until now… yeah, c’mon! Your selective outrage is disgusting. As bugs bunny used to say… Aaaaaaaaahhhh Shaaaaaaaaaduuuuup!
Paul,
I understand that the US military is doing some good work in Iraq. Nonetheless, it does not justify our continued presence which props up an ineffectual al Maliki regime, threatens the security of the Iraqi people, puts a barrier in the way of political reconciliation, and involves continued raids into Iraqi houses and imposition of our presence in their neighborhoods.
Codud, congratulations! You’re insane. “Maliki regime”… you’re funny too. Any elected official in the free world is a regime? Chavez is a real leader, right? Please admit you’re hopeless progressive socialist and an anti-American. The things going on in your head, man… you’re in pain 24/7/365. Have a beer, play with yourself… smoke a bone… relax.
Hey codude;
DAMN, ARE YOU STUPID!!!!!!!!
Question for you; have YOU ever been to Iraq????????
I HAVE!!!!!
And last time I checked, the kids in Iraq don’t have to worry anymore about your buddy sodom insane’s thugs coming into their homes in the middle of the night, taking their parents away for insulting your buddy sodom, and tossing them in a mass grave a few weeks later, AFTER TORTURING THEM!!!
Meanwhile, the kids wind up in orphanges.
Let me give you the same advice I gave your gutless anti-militery buddy stevie; SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!
Your gutless, cowardly HATE SPEECH only serves to get more of my brothers and sisters assassinated by your ragheaded terrorist buddies!
Support the troops, NOT THE TERRORISTS!
The COdude has valid points. I’m an OIF veteran who deeply questions how the military has been misused in Iraq. For almost five years those serving in Iraq have done everything that has been asked of them and more, yet our commander-in-chief continues to take numerous vacations to his ranch in Crawford, Congress continues to take breaks and vacation, the Iraq Parliament takes a month because it’s hot…and meanwhile our troops just keep doing their job without complaint.
And for those veterans who come back wounded physically and mentally, the different branches of the military - but primarily the Army and the Marine Corps - make these wounded vets jump through hoops to get the care they need and deserve - and once discharged from active duty they have to fight with the VA to get further care. This crappy treatment of wounded vets shows how little the current administration cares about those who are serving and have served in the military
Patriotic Americans should be screaming bloody murder at Bush and neo-con chicken-hawks for starting this ill-conceived war which had nothing to do with 9/11 war, for failing initially to supply the number of invasion troops GEN Eric Shinseki said we’d need (and he was clearly right), for failing to give troops in the field the equipment they needed, and then basically ignore them like a worn-out tool once the vets return home.
As for the comments on the number of Iraqi dead (due to “bombs and bullets”), our own government acknowledges a far greater number of deaths (75,000+). Iraqi deaths directly attributable to the war are far higher, and COdude is correct.
Go ahead and protest the IVAW members in March, but they are the true patriots who only want to expose Bush for what he is and for what he has done to our military. As for commander-in-chief Bush, he should face a court-martial and then be locked up in Ft. Leavenworth - along with Cheney & Rumsfeld.
Hi Mac. Please read everything I said to Codude, then double it. Your points are no more valid than his because of your alleged service. He’s an ass, and so too are you. C’mon… give it up… COG? Section-8? Concienceious objector? Deserter? Never been? Never was? C’mon… pick one! I guaraaaaanf*ckintee you fit one of these. Only when a man has disgraced himself, lost his honor, flat out lies, or sold his sold his soul to the ghost of Marx does he speak like you and redefine all that is wrong to sound right. Sorry fool! You ain’t shit but an IVAW-lovin wetspot. And thanks for your blessing to protest the IVAW in March. We were gonna do it anyway way.
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, Those fabricatin’, agenda-changin, always-fakin’, story-makin’ IVAW sumna bandages.
Well Navardian, it’s surprising how five paragraphs of logic have reduced you to becoming a babbling and incoherent Bubba. And even though you’ve proven yourself to be pretty good at elementary school yard name calling, most other citizens in our country have, fortunately, advanced past the 6th grade level of maturity…and some have even graduated from the eighth grade.
Your tantrums sound like an uneducated version of Rush Limbaugh (you’ve heard of him haven’t you?… he’s the obnoxious, loud mouth, “my way or the byway”, OxyContin drug addict who avoided military service because of a “pilonidal cyst” - an ingrown hair of sorts on his butt). Yep, he’s the one who questions Sen McCain’s conservative patriotism.
Seriously Navardian, you need to get back on your meds before you blow a gasket.
Those IVAW members who will be attending Winter Soldier may disagree with your version of patriotism and the current occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, but they’ve all served in the military and have every right to speak out concerning what they believe to be the lies of the chicken-hawks who inhabit the Bush administration.
Since you question my military service (”hmmm, I must be one of those ‘phony Soldiers’ your buddy Rush spoke so eloquently about”), do you also qustion the patriotism and military service of Lieutenant General Greg Newbold (USMC, retired), who called the war in Iraq a mistake (http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1181629,00.html#), just as have many other generals have, such as Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack Jr, Maj. Gen. John Batiste, Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, Gen. Hugh Shelton, Lieutenant General Brent Scowcroft, or GEN Anthony Zinni, who retired rather than acquiesce and be a party to an unwarranted and unneeded invasion of Iraq.
Then again Navardian, maybe your heroes are the chicken-hawks who started and promoted the Iraq War: Dick Cheney, Tom DeLay, Karl Rove, Trent Lott, Dennis Hastert, Richard Perle, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rudy Giuliani, Pat Buchanan, Pat Robertson, Bill Kristol, Douglas Feith, Saxby Chambliss, and Richard Shelby to start the list of chicken-hawks. Some heroes you have Navardian! Your heroes likely resemble the school yard wannabes who cheer on a fight but who haven’t gut the guts to fight themselves. Is that you too?
Perhaps, just perhaps, you could advance beyond name-calling and present a logical argument for staying in Iraq “until we win”, and please define winning and victory is in Iraq, because Mr. Bush has redefined what “victory” as the war has gone on.
I would hope that you’re not as ignorant as your previous post seems to indicate you are, so do your best present a logical argument and set aside your school-yard name calling for just a bit; you’ll feel better and maybe your doctor may eventually reduce your medication levels. And have a nice day.
All - please read retard-in-MN’s above comments.. As I rest my case, ladies and gentlemen. It is this very type of American-idiot that has brought us together.
I deserved it as I acknowledged this dickhead’s presence and comments. I’ll now call Dick Cheney, my new buddy, maybe he’ll take me hunting.
Note to self: don’t feed the retarded moonbats. De de deee.
Note to self: don’t feed the retarded moonbats.
LOL….class dismissed.
Okay Guys, first I signed the petition. Second its just another case of trying to blame the war on the soldiers as they did to us in Nam. You want to blame somebody, blame the politicians. They start the wars, and congress does not give the military the money it needs to give our guys what they need to fight it. Ask congress why ours guys don’t have the equipment they need. Lets investigate congress, how about that?
Now the big point, not taking out Sadam Hussein would have been like not taking out Hitler. Most people know Hussein was a student of Hitler. If Hitler had been taken out earlier millions of lives would have been saved.
I am real sorry to say this guys but to wipe out the present set of bad guys will not put an end to war. When the Islamofacists are defeated some other bunch, Neo- Nazis or pseudo commies or some new meglomaniac will pop up somewhere to deny freedom to people they want to control. Then they will start killing anyone who doesn’t agree with them, until a group of people stand up and fight back for freedom, and they call that war.
Also as Sherman said “War is Hell” your right there is no Glory in war. The Glory is in the sacrifice made by those fighting for freedom.
Have you never heard ” Greater love hath no man then he who will lay his life down for others” ? To those of you who seem to think that the Iraqis don’t want us. I direct you to read the reprint from the American Legion magazine, in Good news from Iraqi, the people of Ar Ramadi seem to be pretty happy with the American presence. It also shows that we are making progress and doing some good.
OH Yeah, last point I am a Nam Vet ,if you don’t like that TOUGH!!
mac and codude -
what seems to be most clear about your comments is your personal anger-
i don’t perceive either one of you as being particularly compassionate people, so i don’t buy your story that you are so concerned about he iraqi people - your rhetoric on that account seems a bit shallow. rather, you seem to be extraordinarily angry people, and it seems that you are using this anti-war movement to ventilate your personal anger.
you represent only a very miniscule percentage of the military and the american people -