I feel a Change coming on!
February 29, 2008
The fool that put this affair together told us that this was an open forum and my talking was not on his agenda (I had told him that he should not be showing that tesimony because it was all lies and I had documentation that refutes and discredits the tesitmony). Judsy told him well, we are going to CHANGE your agenda and we did! One of the young girls there asked me for the documentation and said she would read it.
I’ll write something for my website tomrrow. They had 2 “recruiters” there and the idiot who ran the show and never served, 3 old raging granny ladies, the idiot’s parents, and 4 young people who came. The female recruiter ended up crying hysterically and the other recruiter, who served in Kuwait(!) never said one word. He looked intimidated and I enjoyed that very much. Somehow I think we CHANGED their minds. I did tell them that they had better tell these young Veterans they are recruiting that if they are going to stand up and tell about murder and rapes they committed, they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and they will go to prison. The idiot told them that is not true, your Superiors will go to prison, not you. I really got mad then and told him that is not what is going to happen and you better not be telling these kids that because that reasoning didn’t fly in Nuremburg and it won’t fly now. (click here for slide show)
Beverly Perlson
(click more for a message from Chris Hill)
Don’t Mess with Momma
If all the mothers in the US had the same tenacity as Beverly Perlson, Debbie Lee, Deborah Johns and Becky Robey there would be no need for Gathering of Eagles. You all know of the sacrifice Becky made for her son, Pfc Shaun Robey, when he was wounded in Iraq. Likewise, we have all seen the Debs on the front-lines in our fight against the insurgency here at home. Beverly Perlson’s son is currently serving in Afghanistan with the 82nd Airborne. Her son, John is on his 4th voluntary deployment, and has promised from the get-go to put lead on target for all of us back here in the World. Beverly Perlson took on the IVAW last night when they had the bad sense to assemble in her hometown of Chicago. I think the photos speak for themselves, but just in case, IVAW lost, and not by decision. Hopefully, the actions of these brave warrior creators will galvanize other mothers to get involved. Simply put, if more mothers behaved as Beverly did last night, no member of Congress, or anti-American rabble rouser would dare oppose them. Thanks ma. We who have worn the uniform all know that mom serves right along with us. Manchu
Chris Hill
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bev
bravo - and thank you for taking the photos and posting them.
as you may know, the ivaw website has changed their schedule for the winter soldier conference - they have removed the “testimony” and the “sharing of experiences” and have replaced them with educational seminars. i guess the commie leftist couldn’t trick a bunch of confused vets into perjuring themselves - and good for you and your group for going to this event and educating the useful idiots.
also - we know that the untied for justice and peace is calling for a day of civil disobedience in washington dc on march 19th - and they are trying to get people to VOLUNTEER to go to dc and engage in civil disobedience and get ARRESTED - i wonder how many of the useful idiots will be manipulated by the commies on this one!!!
oh, and btw ……. what’s up with that first post!!
Whoa!! Did I miss something? I guess I must have because this story “I feel a Change Coming On” makes little sense at all. What pray tell is the antecedent to the first sentence “this affair” ? Thanks
I don’t really have a feel for what this event was about, totally. But I see that Brave Bev took care of it. Thanks a bunch Beverly.
O. P. Ditch
http://TroopsSupport.com
Just as a general FYI Eagles…ACO above is none other than CODude from earlier posts. Same IP…here’s his blog if ya’ll feel so inclined to take a peek. He’s also posting as tuffstuff…..bored little boy in a basement???
http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/
Be gentle….I think he has some mental disorders that remain untreated…. Ahhh what the hell….SIC ‘EM BOYS!
This “affair” was a recruiting meeting by IVAW last night at the library in Joliet, Illinois. The CHANGE I refer to is their agenda, we totally changed their agenda, and the only people that really spoke were our brave and noble Heroes, our Veterans. See http://www.thebandofmothers.com and I will post more detail by tomorrow.
Beverly Perlson
The Band of Mothers
Bev, you’re dynmite! I always wondered who that girl was on the home page’s slide show in Chicago from 10/27.
As for that bloomer skid-mark COdude or ACO, I’ll be on his act like ugly on an ape.
Thank you for your visits to stevenwarran.blogspot.com where I post my research pointing to the fact that 9-11 was an inside job. The attack on the Pentagon on 9-11-01 was conducted by the US military on itself to justify the illegal and immoral wars of the past five years.
However Kathy is mistaken if she thinks I post under other pseudonyms, like ACO, CODude or tuffstuff. I just registered here this moment and stay fairly busy so it’s not likely I’ll be back soon.
Good luck in your endeavors.
If anyone would like to see the IP report, let me know.
Hi SteveCOdudetuffstuffACO. If thanks are in order, it’s us thanking you. You are exactly the kind of whack job that has brought together the many thousands of patriots accross this great nation. Thanks again for waking the sleeping giant.
The only inside job you should be worrying about is the inside job going on in your bathroom all day long in conjunction with your porn collection.
Catch you on the flipside, moonbat!
Hey Stevewarren,
Do you know that we signed a cease fire agreement at the end of the First Gulf war (after Hussein invaded Kuwait)? A cease fire agreement is not a peace treaty and it means you are still LEGALLY at war. Hussein had twelve years to comply with this treaty and choose not too. I would have opened fire on him the second Hussein shot at my planes in the ‘no fly zone’. That would have been enough for me.
Allow me to educate you for a minute: During Vietnam, the CPUSA did its damndest to break American resolve here at home. You are no different. It seems to be your job to break our resolve while we have Troops in the field by calling the war illegal. please read the words of Bui Tin, a former colonel in the North Vietnamese army:
How North Vietnam Won The War The Wall Street Journal, Thursday August 3, 1995
What did the North Vietnamese leadership think of the American antiwar movement? What was the purpose of the Tet Offensive? How could the U.S. have been more successful in fighting the Vietnam War? Bui Tin, a former colonel in the North Vietnamese army, answers these questions in the following excerpts from an interview conducted by Stephen Young, a Minnesota attorney and human-rights activist. Bui Tin, who served on the general staff of North Vietnam’s army, received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. He later became editor of the People’s Daily, the official newspaper of Vietnam. He now lives in Paris, where he immigrated after becoming disillusioned with the fruits of Vietnamese communism.
Question: How did Hanoi intend to defeat the Americans?
Answer: By fighting a long war which would break their will to help South Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh said, “We don’t need to win military victories, we only need to hit them until they give up and get out.”
Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi’s victory?
A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.
Q: Did the Politburo pay attention to these visits?
A: Keenly.
Q: Why?
A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.
Q: How could the Americans have won the war?
A: Cut the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Laos. If Johnson had granted [Gen. William] Westmoreland’s requests to enter Laos and block the Ho Chi Minh trail, Hanoi could not have won the war.
Q: Anything else?
A: Train South Vietnam’s generals. The junior South Vietnamese officers were good, competent and courageous, but the commanding general officers were inept.
Q: Did Hanoi expect that the National Liberation Front would win power in South Vietnam?
A: No. Gen. [Vo Nguyen] Giap [commander of the North Vietnamese army] believed that guerrilla warfare was important but not sufficient for victory. Regular military divisions with artillery and armor would be needed. The Chinese believed in fighting only with guerrillas, but we had a different approach. The Chinese were reluctant to help us. Soviet aid made the war possible. Le Duan [secretary general of the Vietnamese Communist Party] once told Mao Tse-tung that if you help us, we are sure to win; if you don’t, we will still win, but we will have to sacrifice one or two million more soldiers to do so.
Q: Was the National Liberation Front an independent political movement of South Vietnamese?
A: No. It was set up by our Communist Party to implement a decision of the Third Party Congress of September 1960. We always said there was only one party, only one army in the war to liberate the South and unify the nation. At all times there was only one party commissar in command of the South.
Q: Why was the Ho Chi Minh trail so important?
A: It was the only way to bring sufficient military power to bear on the fighting in the South. Building and maintaining the trail was a huge effort, involving tens of thousands of soldiers, drivers, repair teams, medical stations, communication units.
Q: What of American bombing of the Ho Chi Minh trail?
A: Not very effective. Our operations were never compromised by attacks on the trail. At times, accurate B-52 strikes would cause real damage, but we put so much in at the top of the trail that enough men and weapons to prolong the war always came out the bottom. Bombing by smaller planes rarely hit significant targets.
Q: What of American bombing of North Vietnam?
A: If all the bombing had been concentrated at one time, it would have hurt our efforts. But the bombing was expanded in slow stages under Johnson and it didn’t worry us. We had plenty of times to prepare alternative routes and facilities. We always had stockpiles of rice ready to feed the people for months if a harvest were damaged. The Soviets bought rice from Thailand for us.
Q: What was the purpose of the 1968 Tet Offensive?
A: To relieve the pressure Gen. Westmoreland was putting on us in late 1966 and 1967 and to weaken American resolve during a presidential election year.
Q: What about Gen. Westmoreland’s strategy and tactics caused you concern?
A: Our senior commander in the South, Gen. Nguyen Chi Thanh, knew that we were losing base areas, control of the rural population and that his main forces were being pushed out to the borders of South Vietnam. He also worried that Westmoreland might receive permission to enter Laos and cut the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
In January 1967, after discussions with Le Duan, Thanh proposed the Tet Offensive. Thanh was the senior member of the Politburo in South Vietnam. He supervised the entire war effort. Thanh’s struggle philosophy was that “America is wealthy but not resolute,” and “squeeze tight to the American chest and attack.” He was invited up to Hanoi for further discussions. He went on commercial flights with a false passport from Cambodia to Hong Kong and then to Hanoi. Only in July was his plan adopted by the leadership. Then Johnson had rejected Westmoreland’s request for 200,000 more troops. We realized that America had made its maximum military commitment to the war. Vietnam was not sufficiently important for the United States to call up its reserves. We had stretched American power to a breaking point. When more frustration set in, all the Americans could do would be to withdraw; they had no more troops to send over.
Tet was designed to influence American public opinion. We would attack poorly defended parts of South Vietnam cities during a holiday and a truce when few South Vietnamese troops would be on duty. Before the main attack, we would entice American units to advance close to the borders, away from the cities. By attacking all South Vietnam’s major cities, we would spread out our forces and neutralize the impact of American firepower. Attacking on a broad front, we would lose some battles but win others. We used local forces nearby each target to frustrate discovery of our plans. Small teams, like the one which attacked the U.S. Embassy in Saigon, would be sufficient. It was a guerrilla strategy of hit-and-run raids.
Q: What about the results?
A: Our losses were staggering and a complete surprise;. Giap later told me that Tet had been a military defeat, though we had gained the planned political advantages when Johnson agreed to negotiate and did not run for re-election. The second and third waves in May and September were, in retrospect, mistakes. Our forces in the South were nearly wiped out by all the fighting in 1968. It took us until 1971 to re-establish our presence, but we had to use North Vietnamese troops as local guerrillas. If the American forces had not begun to withdraw under Nixon in 1969, they could have punished us severely. We suffered badly in 1969 and 1970 as it was.
Q: What of Nixon?
A: Well, when Nixon stepped down because of Watergate we knew we would win. Pham Van Dong [prime minister of North Vietnam] said of Gerald Ford, the new president, “he’s the weakest president in U.S. history; the people didn’t elect him; even if you gave him candy, he doesn’t dare to intervene in Vietnam again.” We tested Ford’s resolve by attacking Phuoc Long in January 1975. When Ford kept American B-52’s in their hangers, our leadership decided on a big offensive against South Vietnam.
Q: What else?
A: We had the impression that American commanders had their hands tied by political factors. Your generals could never deploy a maximum force for greatest military effect.
The above is from the Wall Street Journal. The below is from my heart:
It is my opinion that our Troops won this war. It is the people who stayed home who lost the war. We lost our resolve and tied the hands of our politicians. If we would have kept our resolve and let the politicians make the decisions necessary to win, it would have been over sooner with less men paying the price. Not to mention the millions that died in Cambodia, Laos, and South Vietnam after we pulled out. It took the North two years to rebuild (with the help of China and Russia) after we pulled out, in order to take South Vietnam.
We must not allow this to happen again. We must stand behind our Troops and their leaders. We must allow our leaders to do what is necessary to win the war. We must not allow the commie traitors to steal our resolve away again. I say stand a post for our Troops and this can be done in March in Washington DC. See the link below:
http://eaglesup.us/index.php?option=com_content&t ask=blogsection&id=22&Itemid=227
May I add one more thing Mr. Warren: We debated the war before we went and we will have plenty of time to debate it when it is over. While we have boots in theater, it would be greatly appreciated if you kept your seditious unfounded facts to yourself.
God bless our Troops and their commanders.
Thank you for listening,
Rick ‘Beetle’ Bailey
you go do the dhue haha a little history lesson for the jerk!
Thanks molette67.
I wish people understood how important resolve is during war. Lack of resolve here at home can lose wars easier then losing battles on a battlefield. We will have time to debate these appeasing fools after the war is over, but during it we should treat their words as seditious acts meant to undermine our Troops and their mission.
Yeppers
Hey stevie (or whatever name you’re going by today), Question for you; have YOU ever been to Iraq??????
I HAVE!!!!!!
Do you know there’s LOTS of good things happening in Iraq that you either don’t know, or REFUSE to acknolwedge. For example;
-there are Army Medics immunizing Iraqi children
-there are Army Engineers rebuilding roads and other infrastructure
-there are Soldiers going into schools and orphanges bringing the kids school supplies and sports equipmen all donated by the good folks back home.
Hey stevie, do us all a favor and stop saying stupid shit that’s going to get more of my brothers and sisters assassinated by your gutless ragheaded terrorist buddies!
Thanks for your service Paul Couturier. It is greatly appreciated!